20,000 Legal Fictions Beneath the Sea

I personally think the “seasteading” idea is largely pointless fantasy talk.  Thus, I don’t see much to gripe about in the initial post about it here.

Brad Reed exhibits in the Alternet post he self-promotes there the seemingly unbreakable falsehood that libertarianism is a right-wing movement, rather than a left-wing one the rhetoric of which has been appropriated for petty political reasons in the defense of obviously incompatible goals, but that’s to be expected of him.  He’s a mainstream liberal, he sincerely believes that representative government is possible & the State can be used ostensibly for a little generic “good” without inevitably being used for a fuck-ton of unambiguous Bad.  Of course he’s going to assume anyone staunchly opposed to it has alterior motives.

The strawman-fest in the comments was a foregone conclusion, and there’s little of it that’s even worth addressing because, in all honesty, Patri Friedman is more than likely the first self-proclaimed libertarian they’ve heard of other than Ron Paul (who is more a paleocon w/ some leanings) & Glenn Reynolds (who is little more than a warmonger & bigot-sympathizer who wants to smoke pot legally).  However, for the following commenter I have something to say that I actually find a good use of my time:

J— said,
May 29, 2009 at 16:58:
These are to be rafts, right? They’ll have to be careful about where they float, because states’ exclusive economic zones extend 200 nautical miles from their coasts.

States are established on land.  Whether they bought it, broke off from another nation that held it, or simply murdered whoever last had it, land is the common feature of a nation-state.  Yet 200 miles of water are declared to be, legally, part of the land.  Not for occupancy-and-use reasons (private citizens don’t typically go out that far, as far as I know), but simply to — in this case literally — extend the reach of the government.  Basically it leads to territorial cockfights like this.

Question: does this not strike you as the least bit odd?  You ever consider why this is the way it is?  Or ponder whether or not this setup actually does function for your ideal of the greater good?

In practice this concept is only recognized when it involves the strongest nations.  If you’re not some form of economic and/or military power, the true law of the sea consists of “WTF you gon’ do about it?”

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3 Responses to 20,000 Legal Fictions Beneath the Sea

  1. Scott says:

    The comments to that story were depressing. Talk about an echo chamber. I used to be much more active in internet political discussions, but I just don’t have the energy for it anymore. What I never understood* was the need to mock without contributing any substantive criticisms or exhibiting evidence that you understand the concepts involved. I realize there are some things too crazy to even justify arguing against, like drinking bleach or driving blind. Apparently wanting to live among others without a monopoly agency of force dictating the terms of most interactions is in the same category.

    *- ok, I understand the urge, it’s commonly found on most middle school playgrounds.

  2. Chrisitan Prophet says:

    It doesn’t matter to me, land or sea. Only today I found the most useful street language definition of libertarian: LIBERTARIAN: One who does not wish to force an agenda on others; neither by fraud, gunpoint, legislation, judicial decision, or majority rule.

    This definition comes from the blog:
    http://spirituallibertarian.blogspot.com/

  3. Vache Folle says:

    States, like criminal syndicates, sometimes divide up resources in ways that are meant to limit violent conflict. They also have the international law of the sea to help them decide how to handle issues beyond the 200 mile zone.

    I reckon the floating enclaves would be declared hazards to navigation and seized before too long.

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